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		<title>By: More on those angry librarians in Sacramento &#171; The Letter Z</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-130579</link>
		<dc:creator>More on those angry librarians in Sacramento &#171; The Letter Z</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of all, some great comments were posted in response to what I wrote, both on this blog and on others. Some helped provide support for my arguments, some respectfully disagreed, and some pointed out [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of all, some great comments were posted in response to what I wrote, both on this blog and on others. Some helped provide support for my arguments, some respectfully disagreed, and some pointed out [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Roberts</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-130534</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 04:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, I was annoyed by your first posting about Sacramento but didn't comment there because who reads comments about yesterday's posts?  This second post of yours is much better.

Nothing in the first post about the long tail. Nothing in the first post about the possibility the Sacramento administrators may be missing something.  
Nothing in the first post about the possibility that it's the number of copies of the Paris Hilton book (not video as I had it earlier) or Jackass 2 that some staff object to.  Nothing much but righteous indignation about buzzkilling idiot Poindexters.

I doubt you have much to do with collection development there at Darien but I note that subject searches for Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, and Christina Aguilera all return zero hits. Nothing by Donald Goines. Maybe your patrons turn to some sort of regional catalog for books by and about these people, or maybe your acquisitions people are so in tune with the community that they know there is just no interest ...  or maybe you should have a talk with them about building circulation - I notice there are six copies of "Fiasco" by Thomas Ricks just sittin' on the shelf.  Maybe someone there thought that's what the public should be reading.

No "Learning Perl", nothing about Ruby (Computer program language).  Collection development is hard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, I was annoyed by your first posting about Sacramento but didn&#8217;t comment there because who reads comments about yesterday&#8217;s posts?  This second post of yours is much better.</p>
<p>Nothing in the first post about the long tail. Nothing in the first post about the possibility the Sacramento administrators may be missing something.<br />
Nothing in the first post about the possibility that it&#8217;s the number of copies of the Paris Hilton book (not video as I had it earlier) or Jackass 2 that some staff object to.  Nothing much but righteous indignation about buzzkilling idiot Poindexters.</p>
<p>I doubt you have much to do with collection development there at Darien but I note that subject searches for Paris Hilton, Britney Spears, and Christina Aguilera all return zero hits. Nothing by Donald Goines. Maybe your patrons turn to some sort of regional catalog for books by and about these people, or maybe your acquisitions people are so in tune with the community that they know there is just no interest &#8230;  or maybe you should have a talk with them about building circulation - I notice there are six copies of &#8220;Fiasco&#8221; by Thomas Ricks just sittin&#8217; on the shelf.  Maybe someone there thought that&#8217;s what the public should be reading.</p>
<p>No &#8220;Learning Perl&#8221;, nothing about Ruby (Computer program language).  Collection development is hard.</p>
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		<title>By: GeekChic</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-130516</link>
		<dc:creator>GeekChic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 03:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John - Aaah, I understand the point that you're trying to make. I definitely understand the concept of "aggregate popularity" (and I like that term). At that same library I had a policy of trying to buy at least one copy of every best-seller and Oprah's pick, for example (and I only say "try" because there were funding issues). 

If they were on those lists, I assumed that people would want them and I didn't want to make people have to request them. I had a lower set of standards for these items because they were likely to be popular. They were almost like automatic release items for me... I didn't have to think much about them. I could (as you note) spend my time augmenting the collection in other ways.

Thanks for providing a forum for stimulating discussion John.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John - Aaah, I understand the point that you&#8217;re trying to make. I definitely understand the concept of &#8220;aggregate popularity&#8221; (and I like that term). At that same library I had a policy of trying to buy at least one copy of every best-seller and Oprah&#8217;s pick, for example (and I only say &#8220;try&#8221; because there were funding issues). </p>
<p>If they were on those lists, I assumed that people would want them and I didn&#8217;t want to make people have to request them. I had a lower set of standards for these items because they were likely to be popular. They were almost like automatic release items for me&#8230; I didn&#8217;t have to think much about them. I could (as you note) spend my time augmenting the collection in other ways.</p>
<p>Thanks for providing a forum for stimulating discussion John.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-130391</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 21:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GeekChic, I think you make a very good point that I had meant to address, but you've done a great job illustrating it.  Let me be clear about what I mean when I say "aggregate popularity."  I'm referring to  popularity as reflected by industry-wide, not regional or local statistics.  I think that would obviate any anomalies due to attitudes held by a library's community.

Larry, I think you miss the point that I'm trying to make which is that it's not about specific titles but instead a process by which collections can be built objectively, without bias or prejudice.  Perhaps if you consider my post in its entirety, you'll see that I think it's the job of the collection developers to make those collections unique by augmenting them with their own input.  If you think about it, it takes the monotony out of the process and lets librarians focus on what they really want to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GeekChic, I think you make a very good point that I had meant to address, but you&#8217;ve done a great job illustrating it.  Let me be clear about what I mean when I say &#8220;aggregate popularity.&#8221;  I&#8217;m referring to  popularity as reflected by industry-wide, not regional or local statistics.  I think that would obviate any anomalies due to attitudes held by a library&#8217;s community.</p>
<p>Larry, I think you miss the point that I&#8217;m trying to make which is that it&#8217;s not about specific titles but instead a process by which collections can be built objectively, without bias or prejudice.  Perhaps if you consider my post in its entirety, you&#8217;ll see that I think it&#8217;s the job of the collection developers to make those collections unique by augmenting them with their own input.  If you think about it, it takes the monotony out of the process and lets librarians focus on what they really want to do.</p>
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		<title>By: Larry</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-130316</link>
		<dc:creator>Larry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 18:49:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, given the competing demands for library resources, how many copies of "Jackass 2" and the Paris Hilton video, "Confessions of an heiress", do you figure your own library ought to purchase?  For the benefit of collection development people everywhere, could you show how you arrived at your numbers?

Searching the Darien Library catalog just now I didn't find either title. How come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, given the competing demands for library resources, how many copies of &#8220;Jackass 2&#8243; and the Paris Hilton video, &#8220;Confessions of an heiress&#8221;, do you figure your own library ought to purchase?  For the benefit of collection development people everywhere, could you show how you arrived at your numbers?</p>
<p>Searching the Darien Library catalog just now I didn&#8217;t find either title. How come?</p>
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		<title>By: ALA Editions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pragmatism vs. Idealism (from blyberg.net)</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-130289</link>
		<dc:creator>ALA Editions &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Pragmatism vs. Idealism (from blyberg.net)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] really enjoyed reading ALA Editions author John Blyberg’s post Pragmatism vs. Idealism, which is a continuation of a thread (with links for latecomers) discussing collection development [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] really enjoyed reading ALA Editions author John Blyberg’s post Pragmatism vs. Idealism, which is a continuation of a thread (with links for latecomers) discussing collection development [...]</p>
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		<title>By: GeekChic</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-129963</link>
		<dc:creator>GeekChic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 03:29:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work in public service and do collection development. I certainly appreciate the need to consult with the public in as many ways as is possible about all types of collections. However, there is a very vital role for collection development staff (librarian or not). This is especially true in areas where censorship is possible. 

In one public library where I worked, some of the  patrons would have preferred that we not have any gay and lesbian material - unless it explained how disgusting this "choice" was and how evil such people were. They were quite vocal in challenging any material that deviated from this and they vigorously checked out their preferred materials.

I was not then (and am not now) interested in catering to bigots. If that makes me an intellectual elitist - so be it. So, these patrons did not get the material that they wanted because I would not waste money on it (and I use that phrase deliberately). Our board and my boss at the time backed me on this - against statistical and vocal evidence.

Did the GLBT items get checked out? Not much - it was too dangerous socially to be caught reading it. Does that mean that they weren't used? Absolutely not! We collected in-house use stats as well as check-out stats and the GLBT items were off the charts for in-house use. Our board (and I) were pleased that we were meeting a previously unmet need - even if that was for a minority of the populace that didn't feel that they could check the items out.

A long story and an extreme example - but you simple cannot judge everything via check-out statistics (how do you evaluate a reference collection?). The tyranny of the majority is no way to run a public library in my not so humble opinion.

Thanks Bo and John, for sharing your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work in public service and do collection development. I certainly appreciate the need to consult with the public in as many ways as is possible about all types of collections. However, there is a very vital role for collection development staff (librarian or not). This is especially true in areas where censorship is possible. </p>
<p>In one public library where I worked, some of the  patrons would have preferred that we not have any gay and lesbian material - unless it explained how disgusting this &#8220;choice&#8221; was and how evil such people were. They were quite vocal in challenging any material that deviated from this and they vigorously checked out their preferred materials.</p>
<p>I was not then (and am not now) interested in catering to bigots. If that makes me an intellectual elitist - so be it. So, these patrons did not get the material that they wanted because I would not waste money on it (and I use that phrase deliberately). Our board and my boss at the time backed me on this - against statistical and vocal evidence.</p>
<p>Did the GLBT items get checked out? Not much - it was too dangerous socially to be caught reading it. Does that mean that they weren&#8217;t used? Absolutely not! We collected in-house use stats as well as check-out stats and the GLBT items were off the charts for in-house use. Our board (and I) were pleased that we were meeting a previously unmet need - even if that was for a minority of the populace that didn&#8217;t feel that they could check the items out.</p>
<p>A long story and an extreme example - but you simple cannot judge everything via check-out statistics (how do you evaluate a reference collection?). The tyranny of the majority is no way to run a public library in my not so humble opinion.</p>
<p>Thanks Bo and John, for sharing your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: John Miedema</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-129949</link>
		<dc:creator>John Miedema</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 02:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"To admit authorities, however heavily furred and gowned, into our libraries and let them tell us how to read, what to read, what value to place upon what we read, is to destroy the spirit of freedom which is the breath of those sanctuaries. Everywhere else we may be bound by laws and conventions - there we have none." Virginia Woolf

Found at: http://ofbooksandbikes.wordpress.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To admit authorities, however heavily furred and gowned, into our libraries and let them tell us how to read, what to read, what value to place upon what we read, is to destroy the spirit of freedom which is the breath of those sanctuaries. Everywhere else we may be bound by laws and conventions - there we have none.&#8221; Virginia Woolf</p>
<p>Found at: <a href="http://ofbooksandbikes.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">http://ofbooksandbikes.wordpress.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bo Kinney</title>
		<link>http://www.blyberg.net/2007/05/30/pragmatism-vs-idealism/#comment-129887</link>
		<dc:creator>Bo Kinney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 00:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, John, for the really thoughtful response. (And thanks for helping make my entry into the biblioblogosphere an interesting one.)

I think what I took issue with, more than anything, about your original post, was the comment that librarians shouldn't be placing value on content. I think that placing value on content is the central task of librarians, especially those doing collection development. One good way of placing value on content is by paying attention to what people want. Popular materials, and materials with high demand, are likely to be quite valuable to library patrons, and I'm not suggesting that we should discount that. But popular demand is not the only way to measure value, and may not even be the best way. I don't think it's that cut and dry, and I think that determining value of materials is one of the most challenging jobs librarians have. I mentioned the Boston Public Library trustees and John Berry in my post because I think their writings are good examples of some serious attempts to wrestle with this difficult issue. More than anything, I want libraries to recognize that it &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a difficult issue. Most of what I've seen written about this in the blogosphere hasn't suggested that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, John, for the really thoughtful response. (And thanks for helping make my entry into the biblioblogosphere an interesting one.)</p>
<p>I think what I took issue with, more than anything, about your original post, was the comment that librarians shouldn&#8217;t be placing value on content. I think that placing value on content is the central task of librarians, especially those doing collection development. One good way of placing value on content is by paying attention to what people want. Popular materials, and materials with high demand, are likely to be quite valuable to library patrons, and I&#8217;m not suggesting that we should discount that. But popular demand is not the only way to measure value, and may not even be the best way. I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s that cut and dry, and I think that determining value of materials is one of the most challenging jobs librarians have. I mentioned the Boston Public Library trustees and John Berry in my post because I think their writings are good examples of some serious attempts to wrestle with this difficult issue. More than anything, I want libraries to recognize that it <i>is</i> a difficult issue. Most of what I&#8217;ve seen written about this in the blogosphere hasn&#8217;t suggested that.</p>
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