Comments on: Neither far out nor in deep http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/ A library-geek blog Tue, 02 Dec 2008 02:55:42 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.5 By: Library 2.0 Roundup - Redux « Life as I Know It http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-175440 Library 2.0 Roundup - Redux « Life as I Know It Wed, 05 Sep 2007 01:32:03 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-175440 [...] Neither far out nor in deep - posted on August 23, 2006. [...] [...] Neither far out nor in deep - posted on August 23, 2006. [...]

]]> By: Library 2.0 Roundup « Life as I Know It http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-9684 Library 2.0 Roundup « Life as I Know It Tue, 24 Oct 2006 02:32:29 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-9684 [...] Neither far out nor in deep - posted on August 23, 2006. [...] [...] Neither far out nor in deep - posted on August 23, 2006. [...]

]]> By: eXtensible Catalog (XC) » John Blyberg, social networking, and library catalogs http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5233 eXtensible Catalog (XC) » John Blyberg, social networking, and library catalogs Mon, 28 Aug 2006 19:43:29 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5233 [...] John talks a lot about Library 2.0 in his blog, especially in this posting:  http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/ We’ll be really interested to keep up with what he’s up to, as  our Project Team discusses how XC can include some of the features that John is exploring. [...] [...] John talks a lot about Library 2.0 in his blog, especially in this posting:  http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/ We’ll be really interested to keep up with what he’s up to, as  our Project Team discusses how XC can include some of the features that John is exploring. [...]

]]> By: librariesinteract.info http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5058 librariesinteract.info Thu, 24 Aug 2006 03:47:02 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5058 [...] Insecurity, experimentation and change are GOOD for your library This post this morning, Neither far out nor in deep.at blyberg.net really caught my imagination. It discusses the insecurities brought on by the “Library2.0” technologies and what we may encounter as we ride the wave. Experimentation, sustainability, popularity of services, relinquishing control, coping with outside influences are all touched on. Articulates some of the things I’ve been feeling, but unable to put into words. An extract from the start of the post is below The Library, as an institution, has touched its edge to the currents of a new technology. As a result, it’s spawned what seems to be a rather pronounced, and disruptive eddy in the course of events that is all-things-library. But, as with all eddys in a larger river, the edge is constantly shifting, temporary and insecure. And yes, libraries are feeling a little insecure, right now. [...] [...] Insecurity, experimentation and change are GOOD for your library This post this morning, Neither far out nor in deep.at blyberg.net really caught my imagination. It discusses the insecurities brought on by the “Library2.0” technologies and what we may encounter as we ride the wave. Experimentation, sustainability, popularity of services, relinquishing control, coping with outside influences are all touched on. Articulates some of the things I’ve been feeling, but unable to put into words. An extract from the start of the post is below The Library, as an institution, has touched its edge to the currents of a new technology. As a result, it’s spawned what seems to be a rather pronounced, and disruptive eddy in the course of events that is all-things-library. But, as with all eddys in a larger river, the edge is constantly shifting, temporary and insecure. And yes, libraries are feeling a little insecure, right now. [...]

]]> By: Eric Schnell http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5050 Eric Schnell Thu, 24 Aug 2006 01:29:55 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5050 When I am sitting on the coast on vacation the LAST thing I am thinking about are libraries. :-) That issue aside, this was a <i>very thoughful</i> post which summarizes many of the issues which have been blogged over the last year regarding L2. Librarianship seems to have a very strong culture of FUD that is handed down from generation to generation. It is not an new issue resulting from L2. Many of these arguments are the same ones we have heard over the past 30 years or so, since the advent of the online catalog. As an Unfrozen Caveman Librarian might say, "Your world frightens and confuses me!" When I am sitting on the coast on vacation the LAST thing I am thinking about are libraries. :-) That issue aside, this was a very thoughful post which summarizes many of the issues which have been blogged over the last year regarding L2.

Librarianship seems to have a very strong culture of FUD that is handed down from generation to generation. It is not an new issue resulting from L2. Many of these arguments are the same ones we have heard over the past 30 years or so, since the advent of the online catalog.

As an Unfrozen Caveman Librarian might say, “Your world frightens and confuses me!”

]]> By: Kathryn Greenhill http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5048 Kathryn Greenhill Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:36:12 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5048 Thanks for your post. It's articulated much of what I've been feeling. When I think of insecurity, change and experimentation, I do so with excitement, but have a hard time telling other people why these things are GOOD. To extend your metaphor.... Little babies come with no operating manual or guidelines. They are dependent on you to nurture and guide them. It's useful to discuss with others how they coped with their kids, but ultimately there are so many differences that you have to wing it, try things out and make it up as you go along. And the stakes are HIGH if you get it wrong. We used to have standard operating tools like LCSH or AACR#, which could be used with minimum adaptation in most libraries. There is now a much greater judgment call how we'll adapt these new tools to our own patrons' needs. Little comparison can be made between libraries. I think this is one of the most exciting aspects of Library 2.0 and a reason why we all need to talk, talk, talk to each other about what is happening in our libraries. Thanks for your post. It’s articulated much of what I’ve been feeling. When I think of insecurity, change and experimentation, I do so with excitement, but have a hard time telling other people why these things are GOOD.

To extend your metaphor….

Little babies come with no operating manual or guidelines. They are dependent on you to nurture and guide them. It’s useful to discuss with others how they coped with their kids, but ultimately there are so many differences that you have to wing it, try things out and make it up as you go along. And the stakes are HIGH if you get it wrong.

We used to have standard operating tools like LCSH or AACR#, which could be used with minimum adaptation in most libraries. There is now a much greater judgment call how we’ll adapt these new tools to our own patrons’ needs. Little comparison can be made between libraries. I think this is one of the most exciting aspects of Library 2.0 and a reason why we all need to talk, talk, talk to each other about what is happening in our libraries.

]]> By: Jennifer http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5047 Jennifer Thu, 24 Aug 2006 00:28:47 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5047 This is an excellent post with a great summation of Library 2.0. L2 is a very scary concept for many people in libraries - and in my day to day work, I experience a lot of resistance to L2 ideas. I'm really interested in trying to discover ways to help make the ideas of L2 (I generally leave out the "L2" moniker because it really doesn't mean anything to most library staff people) make sense to people - and your post is helping me formulate ways of dealing with overburdened and stressed library workers who just want to stop things from changing so rapidly. This is an excellent post with a great summation of Library 2.0. L2 is a very scary concept for many people in libraries - and in my day to day work, I experience a lot of resistance to L2 ideas. I’m really interested in trying to discover ways to help make the ideas of L2 (I generally leave out the “L2″ moniker because it really doesn’t mean anything to most library staff people) make sense to people - and your post is helping me formulate ways of dealing with overburdened and stressed library workers who just want to stop things from changing so rapidly.

]]> By: john http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5034 john Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:35:46 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5034 Ha! Good point. I think those are the people that need the face-to-face interaction, which means, literally, talking to them about this stuff and, if you're in a position to do so, create venues in which the discussion can come up at your own institution. Events like Library Camp aim to do just this by bringing techies and non-techies together for discussions on a common goal. I'm not going to suggest that the situation is easy to address, just that it really needs to be. Ha! Good point. I think those are the people that need the face-to-face interaction, which means, literally, talking to them about this stuff and, if you’re in a position to do so, create venues in which the discussion can come up at your own institution.

Events like Library Camp aim to do just this by bringing techies and non-techies together for discussions on a common goal.

I’m not going to suggest that the situation is easy to address, just that it really needs to be.

]]> By: walt http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5033 walt Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:26:12 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5033 Thanks. That's an excellent and convincing response (and you'll note that I did not suggest straw men). In looking for balance between hype/going off the deep end and basically ignoring the situation, I've forgotten that the true resisters won't be found in the web world at all: They won't be blogging, commenting on blogs, reading them, or (certainly) reading e-journals. (Actually, I'm astonished that someone that resistant to change would be at Internet Librarian!) Which leads me to wonder just how you do get through to these folks--how you find out what's really going on and whether there's an answer. They're not reading your posts...or mine. Thanks. That’s an excellent and convincing response (and you’ll note that I did not suggest straw men). In looking for balance between hype/going off the deep end and basically ignoring the situation, I’ve forgotten that the true resisters won’t be found in the web world at all: They won’t be blogging, commenting on blogs, reading them, or (certainly) reading e-journals. (Actually, I’m astonished that someone that resistant to change would be at Internet Librarian!)

Which leads me to wonder just how you do get through to these folks–how you find out what’s really going on and whether there’s an answer. They’re not reading your posts…or mine.

]]> By: john http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5032 john Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:18:31 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5032 Good question Walt, I think you'll find plenty of hesitant folks if you tune in to that frequency. I remember an incident at IL05 where a woman stood up and stated categorically that she was not interested in learning new technologies at all. Walt, I think the people I'm talking about are the one's we're <i>not</i> hearing from. Good question Walt, I think you’ll find plenty of hesitant folks if you tune in to that frequency. I remember an incident at IL05 where a woman stood up and stated categorically that she was not interested in learning new technologies at all. Walt, I think the people I’m talking about are the one’s we’re not hearing from.

]]> By: walt http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5030 walt Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:11:23 +0000 http://www.blyberg.net/2006/08/23/neither-far-out-nor-in-deep/#comment-5030 A good post, but I do wonder: Who exactly was saying that Library 2.0 was "scary"? For that matter, who was saying that libraries shouldn't innovate, experiment, take risks (within reason and local resources)? A good post, but I do wonder: Who exactly was saying that Library 2.0 was “scary”? For that matter, who was saying that libraries shouldn’t innovate, experiment, take risks (within reason and local resources)?

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